Buffy The Vampire Slayer / Angel

[northsider]

Not really a huge fan of Buffy but watch it the occassional time. I was reading today that she may be killed off in the next series. Is this true? I know ye die hard Buffy fans will know!

Moving the longest thread on GayCork.com, cheek of me! - Amnesiac

[pucelle]

I am a HUGE Buffy/Angel fan despite the fact all my friends think I'm weird -P But being in the States I get to see everything first run. What season are they up to in the UK? Oh and she's died before, I remember that she full filled the Masters prophecy and died at the end of the 1st or 2nd season but Zander brought her back. Which lead to the reason we have 2 Slayers in the world now... but I'm rambling.

[Slayer]

hELLO!!1


I'm the biggest Buffy fan in the WORLD!!!

Anyhoo, Season 7 of Buffy has been confirmed as the lasy Season due to flagging ratiiings(god only knows why).


So, I do think they'll kill her off once and for all at the end of this.

I mean, she's died twice.

I hope Willow gets her own show, you know, the erotic adventures of Willow in Cork, Ireland, in Slayer's home...

U know?

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[lil mizz pyx]

flagging ratings????
whatttt???
How could htis be??
it's BUFFY for gods' sake!!


hmm.. obviously this is an American phenomenon... so equaly obviously they should move buffy all the way over to this side of d worldyting.

Poo.
deprezzled now.

[candlemansa]

I

[amnesiac]

Dawn, The Whining Demon?
Dear God no.
Rumours about Sarah Michelle Gellar's departure have been rife since the show switched to upn in the States... I think it's a wage negotiation ploy.
That said... season 7 premiere wasn't great. Now I did get James Marsters with ultra cute hair AND A SOUL but... it just wasn't as Buffy tastic as past seasons.
A Faith spin-off would be cool but dear god kill the Key NOW!!

/\/\

[lil mizz pyx]

HIS HAIR WAS SOO NOT CUTE!!


Oooh i'm outta the lezzers forum so now i can be all biey and talk abotu spike! Yay!!


But yah, in the premiere his hair was SOOO icky, it was like my hair gets when I dont' cut/wash/dye it for ages and then sleep on it some and just MANKY.

Luckily he gets it cut next week.
Thank jeeezus.
adn then he's all prettyspike again.


Ya know there's a guy in my college who can do PERFECT spike imressions? He even magically gets himself the cheekbones. He does a damn good legolas too, come to think of it.

[lil mizz pyx]

Ooh Faith spinoff! Yummypoo!! Like.. Buffy without the irratiting blondeness. And with funky faithness. mmmmmmmfaith. That would rock. And like... willow could be there too. Except it'd be evil willow or maybe vamp willow. Anyhoo, willow would be like yay with the leather. mmm

yup
sooo gonna happen.
Kill of the blondey beeath *now* then people!!

[pucelle]

NO DAWN SLAYER!!!! I'm thinking whoever was called when Buffy died the second time (there are now 3 slayers) will come into play. Buffy will go live her life cause there are others to take up the slack now. Granted Faith is in Jail, but there is another out there who can do what ONE person is supposed to be doing anyway. Slayers supposedly don't live to old age anyway...

As far as spin-offs go... I heard that there was a Giles spinnoff in the UK... was their any merit to that rumor?!

[amnesiac]

Kanesha or whatever the third slayer was called was killed by Drusila.
"The Watcher" - the Giles spin off is now dead.

/\/\

[amnesiac]

Is myExcellenté.
But bac

/\/\

[lil mizz pyx]

teeheeheehee...
well that would explain my rampant hanging around the Bi forum, melodramatically bitching about the terribleness and crapness of bi-ness and like, how everyone's soooo mean to bi people and bla bla bla bla bla....
mmmmmmelodrama...


and amnesiac- Spike Likes Girls. So P
(although i was always a spike/oz slasher meself. but ssssh)

[Slayer]

Faith Spinoff!!

Oooh, we could have the erotic adventures of Willow and Faith in Slayer's Bedroom in Cork...


All in favour?


Right, now all I have to do is get Joss and the girls to agree.


And the Giles spinoff isn't dead, its just blind, deaf, dumb and lame in one leg...

Joss has been "in talks" with Jane Root, head of BBC2. And apparently she wants to do it.

Buffy isn't continuing after Season 7.

Its been....sniff....AXED!!




"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[lil mizz pyx]

hmmmmmph

Axed you say? I'll fukkin show 'em what exed means...

*GRRRR*

[Slayer]

Grrrrr......


Oh no, they've gottten the Slayer and the pixie mad.


Whatever shall they do?

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[odyssey_scot]

oooh yessir. i'd love a Faith spin-off. yummy.
she so outshone Sarah Michelle, our Eliza Dushku did. oh to have Eliza..
*drifts off in reverie*
oh. where was I
ooh yeah. i thought Kanesha was before Faith. or am I imagining it? am a bit hazy on buffy details these days.

anyways, ignoring even that. kanesha was before buffy jumped off that big tall thing into that other world to save this world and close that portally thingy(obviously my powers of description have vanished), so since buffy died and was brought back doesnt that mean another slayer should be turning up?

please god let some get faith out of jail. that series really needs her.

The Odd One

[lil mizz pyx]

no, I think each slayer only gets one chance to die and make another slayer. Resurrection doesn't count, she's not quite technically properly alive. Not quite sure how, but since Spike can hurt here there must be somethin odd going on..

[Slayer]

Yea, Buffy's resurrection does not count. I mean, Christ, if that was the case, we could kill her and bring her back over and over and over again, eventually building an army of Slayers!!

Mwahahahaha!!

Oh and eh SPOILER!!






Apparently there's a new love interest for Willow halfway through the series.

I can tell you more, but only if you won't kill me for it..

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[lil mizz pyx]

TELL TELL TELL TELL TELL TELL TELL!!


(although nobody can replace Tara in my mind.. but I guess willow deserves some fun..)

[Slayer]

I'll have to get permission from a few more board members to spill info!!

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[odyssey_scot]

dont say it! dont say it!
or i could just not check this thread, that'd be cleverer

The Odd One

[lil mizz pyx]

BM me slayer! Or better, TEXT ME!! TEXT ME NOW!!

[pucelle]

hehe Uh Oh slayer you better watch yourself... you might get ambushed by impatient fans -P

I do wish they would address the whole situation with her coming back wrong. But the thing is she DID die and for real both times. The fact that the 3rd time she was resurrected and she's not completly quite right doesn't discount that fact that she died. And how can there be a clause about death? I mean come one, I don't think that they thought slayers could be resurrected otherwise the other slayers wouldn't be called.

Maybe the PTB caught on didn't call another slayer the 2nd time. But doesn't anyone else find it odd that she still has all her strenght and slayer powers but there are more than one of her. I alway thought that when one died the powers got passed on to the next chosen one.

[Slayer]

Right, anyone see Buffy last night?


Willow under a love spell?

"Its about his soul, not his physical presence."

"His physical presence has a penis!"

"I can work around it!"


And also Buffy's gem

"Willow you're a gay woman. And. he's. not!"

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[lil mizz pyx]

haahaahaha

i loved that




altho my fav bit was when they were in the bar and willow and xander realised it was dawn...


*giggles*

[Slayer]

"Ooh daddy like..."



"Oh God.. When I said... Oh God."

"Right there with ya"


I LOVE WILLOW!!!!

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[tinkerbella]

i love willow too

and i think she deserves a girlfriend with a decent character. tara never got to do anything in her own right until they broke up! she was never as well-written as oz or cordelia and consequently it was difficult to know what willow saw in her. i kept waiting for the episode where it would become apparent that tara actually had opinions or a sense of humour or a wierd hobby or something, anything, that would elevate her from "willow's girlfriend" to "tara". it never really happened.

[KTS]

I've heard it's being axed soon... but might not be true

[lil mizz pyx]

it is, this is the last season (

[odyssey_scot]

someone said to me that theres talks of faith and dawn carrying on in a new series? seeing as eliza dushku should be finishing up college soon (though this info came from someone as obsessed with Eliza as I am. so i dont know how true it is)

The Odd One

[tinkerbella]

hey it's been said before but, just in case anyone missed it, dawn must die.

not just for 'buffy' but to save television.

[odyssey_scot]

i know.
what bright spark thought of puttin her in the series?


The Odd One

[amnesiac]

I used to be the president of Get-Rid-of-the-Whiney-Demon club but this season... well Dawn is beginning to grow on me. Sort of. A little.
***
OH THE SHAME!

You can like the life you're living,
You can live the life you like.
You can even marry Harry, and mess around with Ike.

[Slayer]

I'm beginning to like Dawn. She's actually becoming(God love me) a bit attractive as she's getting older.

She's around my age so its ok for me!!

Hahahaha!! You're all too old!!

And as for Tara,I agree that she wasn't much of a character.
If you're looking for someone fiery and witty then Tara wasn't thay girl.

But she was sweet, and nice, and ordinary, and that's why Willow loved her. Cos she loved Willow, and she was there for her, and she was caring, and motherly.

And she made the best damn pancakes in the world.

She made Willow happy beyond reason, so that's why I'll miss Tara from Buffy. She was the rock in the Summer's house. She was the one they ran to when things got emotionally bad. Dawn, Willow, Buffy.

Even Anya in Season 6's premiere needed reassurance from Tara about Xander's safety.

So, I liked her. She wasn't witty, or fiery, she was just Tara.

"dooobeee doobee doooooo!!!"

[Slayer]

I think I've killed this topic.

Come on post!

"She says she still sings." -Cassie BtVS

[tinkerbella]

she was those things, but not enough. certainly not enough to make a real impression.

my problem isn't with tara exactly, it's with the way she was written. she wasn't there enough, she never became an essential and inedpendent part of things the way that oz, anya and cordelia did. cordelia was a really well-written character - especially when you hated her and she made you squirm. oz was independent and interesting without being overpowering - it was a tough balance but they did it. tara was just inoffensive. i didn't hate her, but i didn't love her either, and more to the point - i didn't know why willow loved her. we never saw enough of her humour and flirtyness until it was rather late in the piece. why did wil fall for her? that's what wasn't convincingly done for me. i always knew what she liked about oz, and why she wanted to be with him, why did it have to be the so cryptic with tara?

[Slayer]

Willow was drawn to her quietness, her intelligence.

I think Willow was a little on the rebound as well, and Tara's timing was impeccable.

I would think Willow enjoyed being the dominant person in a relationship for once.

I mean, Willow was so quiet pre- Season 4. And so babyish. Tara was just someone who gave her the opportunity to be the outspkoen one.

Tara was a friend to Willow because of the wicca. She became her lover because of her charm, her sweetness, her complete and total wish for Willow's happiness.

When Faith was in Buffy's body, and taunting Tara, where a lot of people would turn away from Willow, she saw what was wrong and she fixed it. Willow saw that, and she loved Tara for that.

Tara was smart, and caring, and patient, and she was gentle, and not pressurising, which was exactly what Willow needed after Oz.

Their relationship then deepened because of Tara's acceptance into and usefullness to the Scooby Gang, and her complete willingness to help, to love Willow, to be part of the gang.

Tara was always going to be a mystery, even the Scooby Gang didn't know what she was all about.
In Season Five's "Family" they say how they don't even know what to get her for her birthday.

She had to be mysterious, otherwise her role in Season four's "Restless" would have been pointless.

We needed to know little, to move the plot along.

"She says she still sings." -Cassie BtVS

[Slayer]

So, what do y'all think of the new big ol' Potential slayer/sex kitten for Willow?

I think she's a bit mental to be honest, and rather hot. I'm still waiting to see if she does anything other than put her hands on her hips and pout, and I am rather hopeful. She seems a fiery little thing..


What do the rest of u psycho Buffy fans think?

[lil mizz pyx]

I likes her (but ya know that). I mean, not as a Big Crazy Longterm Relationship person, (cuz duh, that wouldn't work), but I thinks our willow could have a lotta fun with her.


And she does do other things. She gives out to the other Potentials, drinks cocktails, pretends to have the flu, is faintly able to kick ass...

I dunno. Me and the roomy were having a big argument about this, mainly based on the fact that SHE thiks K has no personality and is just there to be Willow's gf, and anyhoo, Will wouldn't be over Tara yet, and NOBODY coudl replace Tara cuz we love tara oh so much and miss tara and tara was so sweet and bla bla.
And I just thought Will deserved to have some fun.

[odyssey_scot]

it just seems neither of Willows lesbian love interests (tara or the new one) have any personality. tis all very one-dimensional.

Plot development? anyone?
I mean it cudnt be that hard to give willow a decent character as a girlfriend..

[redbulljunkie]

I like Buffy. It's quite witty. I especially liked the musical episode. Couldn't stop myself from smiling at it.

Giles - "you think I'm evil because I brought little girls on a camping trip and DIDN'T touch them?"

[Slayer]

Well, she's a bit of fun, but I can really see some problems for the two of them. Defintely not a long term thing...

Kennedy has a personality, but she's very pushy or something. I bit TOO outspoken or something.

[lil mizz pyx]

Hell ya. It's definately not gonna last. But hey, BTVS characters hardly *ever* get to have flings. It's all with the Big Meaningful Relationships all over the place.
Unless you're Faith.

[pucelle]

That's cause Faith was an entity all to herself -P Completely unlike any of the Scooby Gang...
And as far as Big Meaningful Relationships... have you ever noticed how they ALL end in tradgedy of some sort? Each break up is traumatic so some degree for all parties envolved.
Re Cordilia.... I agree, Cordelia is a WELL written character and I'm very impressed how she's grown a matured of the years. Of all the BtVS Characters, I think she has come the longest way.

[candlemansa]

I luv the way cordelia has developed through Angel, and the romance that was developing between them. I hope they get that back on track. Fred and Gunn are just plain annoying, they should have kept doyle in it. Did you all know the actor that played Doyle killed himself.
As for Tara I thought she was a brilliant character full of personality and charm. I can't understand why they felt the need to kill her off. I havn't seen Willows new squeese but already I'm biased.

[redbulljunkie]

the actor who played Doyle killed himself? Freaky. Life imitating art eh?
Yeah, I like Cordelia, she's come a long way since her days as the bitchy prom queen. Agree also with your appraisal of Fred and Gunn, annoying gimps. I like the way Wesley's developed, he's also come a long way since the stuttery watcher who couldn't keep control of Faith. Connor is also a good character, as was Lilah the evil head of wolfman& harte.

[Slayer]

Lilah was absolutely wonderful.

Gunn should die a slow painful death.

In fact- in the words of lilah, lets have his skin peeled off then stapled back on inside out!!!


I know that i'm biased, but I think Willow has been one of the most developed characters in Buffy/Angel.

I mean, anyone remember the sad, painfully shy little nerd that Willow was.

And now see the gorgeous, sexy, lovely...

mmmmmm...

*drowns in puddle of drool*

[pucelle]

What about Vamp Willow?

[redbulljunkie]

Vamp Willow was the moment when all my friends (i'm gay so don't count) opinion of her changed for the better.

[redbulljunkie]

Although I should say that despite being gay I could see that she was sexy as well. Bad girl, very bad girl

[candlemansa]

Vamp Willow was cool cause it was such a change but shes grown so much since then that she makes vamp willow look sad. Evil Willow was the best, all that magic, it was cool. I'd like to see Amy get more of a part, she's a cool unstable mix.

[Slayer]

Ok, did Kennedy piss anyone else off so much that you felt like punching her?

She's jsut so bossy, and arrogant, and she's always pushing Willow into doing magic. She should seriously grow up a bit.

Christ she's seen Willow go a bit mental(the whole Warren thing?) and yet she keeps pushing her.

They seriously need to bring me into that series as a potential so that I can rescue Willow from the evil potential and "comfort" her.

[redbulljunkie]

Haven't really taken much notice of Kennedy, see her as a peripheral character at best. Willow will be in Angel this week practicing her magic to get Angel's soul back, should be good.

[Slayer]

woohoo!


Go naked Willow!
I mean magick Willow of course.

Why would I say naked- He he.

Ahem. hem. em. m. ...

[lil mizz pyx]

nekkid Willow??!!!

where??


I must say though, I happened to pass the Tv earlier when Angel was on and... well lets say Faith was glaring at someone...

*falls over*

[odyssey_scot]

ah, yes, faith...
it always ends up back at Faith, lol

*drools*

Apparently she's gettin her own series (read it in SFX magazine). Not as Faith, but a totally different series...

yay!

[teabag]

ooohh!!! yay, eliza duchku could read the phone book while standing on her head and it would be ok by me! lol

[lil mizz pyx]

mmmmmmm....
eliza dushku standing on her head.....

[Slayer]

Oh Faith.

Yum yum..

Did you see the shower scene in Angel last week?

Christ, even covered in blood and bruises she's a ride.

She;s apparently going to be the heroine in some series about a girl who stops murders happening cos she works ina morgue and the bodies talk to her.

As they do now and then...

[odyssey_scot]

aye, thats what i heard too Slayer.
I bought SFX magazine specifically cos she was in it. lol.
obsessed, moi?

hey i've even converted my gf to being an Eliza fan..

[amnesiac]

Eliza Dushku has signed up for a pilot episode on FOX as has Nicholas Brendon (sitcom pilot).
SPOILERISH!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Rumour has it that Spike scarifices himself for Buffy and the world in the final battle against The First. Anybody else worried they won't be well once Buffy ends?
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[redbulljunkie]

Yeah you always eagerly await the finale of a series, anxious to know what happens. And when it's finished there's just a vacuum....

There'll probably be loads more spinoffs and possibly another film I'd say.

[amnesiac]

I'll still be in bits... at leats I can look forward to collecting all the Buffy seasons on DVD... hate spinoffs, and Angel is only a slight exception. Don't know if there would ever be a movie.
*laughs himself silly at memory of the original BtVS movie*

[Slayer]

I actually didn't see the orginal Buffy movie.

Is it as bad as legend has it?

Spoilerish








I don't think Spike sacrficies himself, because they're talking of bringing him over to Angel next Season. Apparently someone does sacrifice themselves, but to save ANDREW!

I adore Andrew, anyone else think that something is totally going to happen between Dawn and him?

[amnesiac]

Andrew and Dawn? That's just gross doteypet!
And characters can die and be brought back at the drop of a hat in Buffyverse!

[Slayer]

No, there is definetly some connection there. Chemistry even. I though it from the first dialogue they had!

[amnesiac]

Sorry doteypet but two ugly annoyign little people doesn't necessarily make a ghiood couple.
And Dawn... 16
Andrew... 21

[Slayer]

Age shmage...

And Dawn and Andrew aren't annoying! Ok, so they're both spaz's, but hey, who isn't a little?

[lil mizz pyx]

dawn and andrew? I see a slight problem with that. Mainly being that dawn is a *girl* and I cannot be the only one who can see that andrew is about as interested in girls as I am in... I dunno, something so uninteresting that I can't even think of what it might be. That uninterested.


but... oh god. No buffy.
Nope, not happening. Back into nice happy denial land for me. I have no idea what I'm gonna do, but it is probably going to involve large amounts of reruns. And possibly getting into Angel a lot. And whatever that Faith show is.

Wonder what Alyson Hannigan's going to be doing now...?

[amnesiac]

My friend P TOUCHED ALyson Hannigan. And served her cock...tails!

[lil mizz pyx]

*touched Alyson Hannigan*? As in... real life physical contact? With no TV in the middle?

[redbulljunkie]

haha, little miss pyxx you bitch!! [})]

[Slayer]

How, amnesiac how?!!!

[candlemansa]

OMG did any of you hear that Holly Valance is tipped to take over the lead role in the spin off from Buffy when it finishes. What are they thinking, not that she's a bad actress but Nooooooooooo.

[redbulljunkie]

Would have to agree with this, she's not an obvious choice at all. then again she could be another Cordelia - irritating bimbo to begin with, but developing into an excellent character.

So there is going to be a spin off... I suppose the good news is if Holly Valance is getting the lead role, then it won't be that bitch Kennedy. I just saw the episode when she was "training" the girls. I'd love if one staked her.

[pucelle]

No Buffy! What am I going to do?! *sigh* As for the BtVS movie... even Josh Weedon didn't like it -P So yeah it was BAAD and cheesy and worth a good laugh -P

[amnesiac]

Buffy We Hardly Knew Ye -- by Nikki Stafford


She has died twice, fallen in love with her vampire enemies and changed pop culture along the way. As Buffy the Vampire Slayer draws to a close, the show's fierce fans -- from teenagers to academics -- mourn the passing of a legend


"If the apocalypse comes, beep me." And with those immortal words, a legend was born. Or, actually, a teenaged Slayer was defying her Watcher by dating a cute guy rather than fighting the forces of darkness. Same diff.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was a show that was never supposed to last.


It had a silly title, an unlikely premise, and was based on a movie box-office flop. Its title still draws snickers from non-viewers, who don't realize they are ridiculing what is arguably the most intelligent and best-written series on television today, if not the past decade. Yet that same title contains the very essence of the show It's a drama laced with comedy, just as a fluffy name, Buffy, is juxtaposed with a rather ominous signifier, Vampire Slayer.


After seven years of pain, pain, a few laughs, and more pain, Buffy is about to stake her last vampire. The final four episodes will run Tuesdays at 8 p.m., beginning next week.


It all began in March, 1997, when Buffy the Vampire Slayer was slotted in as a midseason replacement on the WB network. The show was about a girl, played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, who was the Chosen One, the one who was destined to fight evil. It's the stuff of comic books.


Except this girl didn't want to be chosen. She wanted to be a normal teenager, and for the first season she dealt with the usual perils of teen angst -- divorced parents, new friends, problems at school, and a confusing love life -- alongside the not-so-usual perils -- having to patrol graveyards at night, discovering her boyfriend is a 242-year-old vampire, and trying to stop a nest of vampires from opening the mouth of Hell and bringing forth the apocalypse. By the end of the first season, she knew that her destiny was inescapable.


Now, seven years later, Buffy has grown up. She's killed her boyfriend (but he's feeling much better now), lost her mother to a brain aneurysm, acquired a kid sister, sacrificed herself to save the world, and crawled out of her own grave. As one character has commented, "I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'"


Now, she faces perhaps the biggest threat the gang has ever seen -- a malignant non-corporeal entity that embodies the world's most primal evil -- and in the process viewers have watched Buffy grow from a 16-year-old girl into a 22-year-old woman, and suffered with her along the way.


Buffy is different from other shows on television. It might only have about five million viewers every week, yet its cultural significance far outweighs its seemingly small audience. In contrast, shows such as ER or The West Wing, both well-written, well-acted programs with four times the viewership, are not considered worthy of study and fan dissection, certainly not to the extent that Buffy or its spinoff show, Angel, might be.


On dozens of Web sites, its fans dissect everything from whether the lovesick, formerly evil vampire Spike is a proper consort for Buffy, to the criminal neglect that the show has faced from the awards establishment (even its best episodes, such as the near-silent Hush or the all-musical Once More, With Feeling have been ignored by the Emmys). Famously, Buffy also has a devoted fan base among academics, who parse its every shot and line of dialogue for cultural significance.


Buffy is the subject of four books of academic essays, and in October, 2002, fans from around the world gathered at the University of East Anglia in England to hear more than 50 papers on the "Buffyverse" delivered by academics. Topics ranged from "Queering the Bitch Spike, Transgression, and Erotic Empowerment" to "Yeats's Entropic Gyre and Season Six of Buffy the Vampire Slayer." So what happened to the idea of this being a juvenile television show?


What sets Buffy apart is the writing. Joss Whedon, the creator of the show, had a vision of a series that was dramatic and mythic but still contained a lot of humour. Along the way, he developed an original language that found its way into the vocabulary of his viewers. He mapped out a seven-year arc for the show that he and his staff have followed religiously for the show's duration, with a few pit stops along the way. As such, the series has always had a forward momentum, a feeling that everything that has happened has had a reason.


David Fury, writer-director and co-executive producer on Buffy and consulting producer and writer on Angel (most fans will recognize him more readily as the Mustard Man from Once More, With Feeling) says the perception of Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a pop-culture icon was a bit of a surprise at first. "Nobody sets out to be a cultural phenomenon," he says. "I can't imagine that Joss ever imagined that it would be that, but he's enormously gratified that it has, that what he set out to do has been recognized by the intelligentsia, and it's very rewarding for us. It feels really good to know we're respected like that."

This season, the show is going back to seasons one through six and using all of the knowledge viewers have gained over the years to bring it to a mind-blowing climax. Whedon has rewarded his loyal fans by bringing up unresolved events that happened years ago and finally offering an explanation for them. However, in doing so, he has made this a show that has become impenetrable to new viewers. This season the ratings have been lower, because while the adult viewership has expanded due to Buffy's darker and more complex plots, the teen viewership -- the staple of UPN -- has dropped (The show is carried on City TV stations in Canada).

But because UPN is one of the smaller networks, ratings don't really matter. "We don't register [the fact the ratings have dropped] because we're just doing the show as best we can, like we always have, and we know our fans and we know we're not a show based on ratings," Fury says.


Aimee Grosso, a fan from Chesterfield, Mich., believes the reason the show is so popular is because the writers "give the fans what they 'need' rather than what they 'want.' "


One factor that often kills good shows is when relationships are requited; when Mulder and Scully got together on The X-Files, for example, the tension was gone, and the show lost its viewers. But on Buffy, as much as the viewers want to see Buffy and her erstwhile mortal enemy Spike get together, the writers realize that what will be more intriguing to viewers in the long run is to make the characters suffer, doubt each other, and show their worst sides to one another before deciding if they should start a relationship.


Spike is a witty, generous, funny guy who truly cares for Buffy. Or at least the "man" part of him does. Spike (played by James Marsters) may be in love with Buffy, but he's a vampire with a demon trapped inside him along with the man. One minute he's pledging his everlasting love to Buffy, and the next his demon side emerges and he tries to rape her. It's these grey areas that act as metaphor for the complexities of human relations but also have alienated some viewers, while allowing others to appreciate the risks the writers take.


But these conflicts lend Buffy a realism that is lacking in other programs. Heather-Anne Gillis of Dartmouth, N.S., agrees "Even though the struggle is couched in the life of a young woman, we see in her struggles the demons that we face every day." In reality, relationships are difficult; on the Hellmouth, they're practically impossible.


Spike isn't the only one with a dark side. Buffy's friends as well as her sometimes reluctant allies -- Willow, Giles, Angel, Oz and Anya -- have all recognized a frightening darkness within themselves. Even Xander, the heart of the group, fears that the alcoholism in his family might turn him into a monster some day. Each character has committed acts that are thoughtless and stupid, and much of Buffy is about the remorse and self-hatred they must live with.


Buffy, the one who is supposed to fight evil, has been living with the fear that she has evil within her too, and her struggle to overcome her fears, and not to succumb to a death wish, has given the show its dark edge for the past two years.


Rhonda Wilcox is a professor of English at Georgia's Gordon College and co-editor of Fighting the Forces What's at Stake in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Slayage The Online International Journal of Buffy Studies. She was one of the organizers of the East Anglia conference, and she agrees that what sets Buffy apart from other shows is its epic quality.


"I think that Buffy has raised the bar for television art," Wilcox says. "While Twin Peaks was unprecedented in terms of its visual work and dream-like content, Buffy is unprecedented in its use of long-term narrative. The people who make Buffy have done so with great integrity -- with respect for the audience and with respect for their own text. The series' careful continuity has allowed for character development of a sort never seen before. This show has made it possible for people to see that while most of television is wasted mental space, TV can be art."


The writers knew years ago how season seven would end and, as a result, the show has a definite momentum, a feeling that we're moving toward something. But along the way the writers have had fun with more gimmicky episodes, such as Once More, With Feeling, the musical episode that cemented Whedon's reputation as a genius in song as well as script. Or Hush, which boasted 29 minutes of silence when the demons stole everyone's voices, yet the personality of each character still shone through.


So, to quote a song from the musical episode, Where do we go from here? The talk of a spinoff this fall has been quashed. The writers had hopes of developing a show about Faith (the darker, even more messed-up vampire slayer) before Eliza Dushku, the actress who plays her, accepted a role in another television pilot.


Considering the present amount of academic literature on the show, the end of Buffy could signal the true beginning of its study. Scholars will now have the entire oeuvre to debate, and perhaps only then can the true analysis begin. Which would be a fitting irony for a Slayer who preferred a good staking to a good book. "Introduction to the Modern Novel?" she says as she's choosing her university courses. "I'm guessing I'd probably have to read the modern novel.... Do they have an introduction to the modern blurb?"


For the viewers of the show, we'll be able to take our memories with us. The characters felt like people we all knew, and we could identify with Buffy's problems. For seven years, the series taught us that nobody -- not even the Chosen One -- is perfect. It left us with the notion that a petite blond woman can save the world, as long as she has friends in her corner. "You have to take care of each other," she says. "You have to be strong. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Be brave. Live. For me."

[lil mizz pyx]

So, who's joining me in my I Hate Kennedy And Think Willow Should Dump Her And Get With That Lovely Fred Girl? hmmm?

[redbulljunkie]

count me in [)]

"see what I did, I just called that girl a maggot"
"see what willow did, she just dumped you"

[lil mizz pyx]

Bwa ha ha ha haaaaaaaa

Although I'm also a faith kennedy shipper. As in I want willow to dump Kennedy. Then I want faith to show up in sunnydale, have her evil way with Kennedy, and then dump her ass.
Just cuz she's hot, so I wanna see it, but she's a bitchface, so she needs to get taken down more pegs than even being dumped by Willow can do..

[Slayer]

And then Fred can come and comfort Willow, and htey start laughing at Ancient Greek texts, then make geeky sweet love to each other...

[lil mizz pyx]

Yup! My thoughts exactly ) Mmmmmm geeky lurve )

[Slayer]

Not that I'd know anything about geeky love, since I'm not a geek...

nyuh nyuh nyuh...


Ahem.

[KTS]

This should be moved to The Review. I'm so neurotic!

[amnesiac]

Buffy Quote Of The Day

WILLOW Beatum sit in nomine D'Hoffrynis. Fiat hoc spatium porta ad mundum Arashmaharris.


D'HOFFRYN Behold, D'Hoffryn. Lord of Arashmahar. He that turns the air to blood and rains -- Miss Rosenberg. How lovely to see you again. Have you done something with your hair?


WILLOW Hello, D'Hoffryn.


D'HOFFRYN I figured I'd be hearing from you soon. The flaying of Warren Meers? Oh, truly inspired. That was water cooler vengeance. Lloyd has a sketch of it on his wall.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Season 7 -- "Selfless" -- Written By Drew Goddard

[pucelle]

Amnesiac - where did you get that article? Need my friends to read that.. getting sick of being teased for watching a "frilly, teen show about witches, vampires, and like"

What am I going to do without new Buffy Eps? Oh the horror... wait a sec.. justealized something.. I'm going to be in the UK at the time of the final episodes... Merde... how am I going to watch Buffy? What station is it on over there? What time does it come on?

[amnesiac]

Season 7 of Buffy... 5 episodes left to play on Satellite Channel SKY ONE (106 on the Sky digital EPG) Thursdays @8pm. Terrestrial public service TV channel BBC TWO is currently airing season 6 episodes at 7ish on a Thursday evening.

[Slayer]

ok, right anyone see "Dirty Girls" last Thursday on Sky. Horrible horrible. I spent about an hour crying after that ep!

Pity Kennedy didn't get sliced though...

[amnesiac]

James Marsters has joined the cast of Angel for Season 5. And Charisma Carpenter is scheduled to appear in a handful of episodes only!

[candlemansa]

No, I hate spike and luv cordelia, why?

[redbulljunkie]

Isn't cordelia spoiler dead ?

[amnesiac]

k

[redbulljunkie]

true, very true

[amnesiac]

[8D]

[redbulljunkie]

Can't wait to see it (even though it means no more buffy afterwards). Is this the last season of Angel as well?

[amnesiac]

No the WB has commissioned the fifth season of Angel which will see very little Charisma Carpenter but James Marsters in every episode!

[redbulljunkie]

spike? Interesting, good vampire with soul+bad vampire with soul [)]

[lil mizz pyx]

you serious??

mmmmmm spiky goodness...

[Missy_Pinky]

just caught a small bit of buffy tonite,first episode ive seen in the new series and am totally lost,only saw few eipsodes lasr yr,my flatmate wont leave me watch them -(
Can someone please tell me a bit about whats happening,like how did the big group of girls thing come about,who are they,and how did buffy get overthrown,ive missed so much,tis confusing me now
xx

[amnesiac]

to go...

[amnesiac]

Sky ONe is showing classic episodes of Buffy (weak for the hair!) weekdays at 12 and repeating at 6pm. It's Buffytastic and will get me through the post 7/24 depression [D]

[Missy_Pinky]

thanks amnesiac -) makes a tad more sense now,so is there only 2 shows left ever?or is it planned for another series with someone else?sorry to be annoying with all my questions x

[amnesiac]

No probs Missy Pinky. Yes season seven is the lats of Buffy, boohoohoo but Angel will be back on our screens for a fifth series next year with James Marsters (spike) joining the cast D

http://www.pimkie.de/image/mode/buffy/banner_menue.jpg The end is nigh

[Slayer]

I don't care as long as we get naked Willow.

There is going to be that isn't there?!!!!

"She says she still sings." -Cassie BtVS

[redbulljunkie]

Haha, just noticed lately that Andrew has the same voice as Jasmine from Angel. So freaky. It's like he's been infected in advance -) Come get some of Jasmine's luvvv Xander -)

[redbulljunkie]

Hmmm, they shamelessly threw Angel into last Thursday's Buffy. I mean he just appears out of nowhere and kisses her while at the same time he supposed to be fighting big evil in the sewers over in LA.

[lil mizz pyx]

From what I've heard the episodes weren't on at the same time in the US, what with their wierdass stop-start programming schedules over there. It just looks funny from this side

[jive]

yeah theres another 2 episodes of angel to go and by the time the last buffy was aired stateside the remaining 2 angel episodes had been shown as well. So we know he's back in time to save the word again with buffy. it makes way more sense to be shown that way. So its double angel the week after next. Since its nore more buffy i guess double angel will lessen the pain

[lil mizz pyx]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

no... more... buffy... after thursday...

*bawls like a lil baby*

[redbulljunkie]

ah cool , two more angels. Thought we'd reached the end of the season and were ending on a cliffhanger (hate when that happens).

[Slayer]

like last season, when cordelia went up and angel went down?

that was annoying!

[amnesiac]

Was just watching Season 1 of ANGEL of DVD and I realised how great the show was in the beginning. Of course I was too cut up over the Buffy/Angel split to appreciate it. Don't know how I feel about Season 4. I'm loving thie whole Jasmine arc but did anybody else find this seaosn a bit oo saop-opera like? I'm hoping with Joss turning his full attention to Angle next year, plus guest performances from some Buffy regulars and the addition of James Marsters will help restore the series to some of its former glory.
By the way, if you watch one episode of Angel in your life, make it the Buffy Crossover from Season 1... "I Will Remember You." I dare you not to cry...

[redbulljunkie]

angel season 1 was excellent, even converted die-hard haters of Buffy. The last season seems a bit disjointed, they're just building up with something good then they throw it out the window and go with another baddie.

[solice]

never got buffy, never understood its apeal, in fact i think i hated it. wait no, hate is a very strong word, ill say i disliked it severley with a passion.
am absolutely bloody delighted to hear its coming to an end. the only thing i have to contend with now will be the constant reruns, buffy weekends and buffy mania crap on sky.

[amnesiac]

Who was your favourite Big bad from Buffy?

s1 the master/the anointed one
s2 spike/dru/angelus
s3 the mayor/faith
s4 adam/professor
s5 glory
s6 three geeks/willow
s7 the first/caleb

For me it has to be Evil Willow. Alison Hannigan ROCKED as the black haired, black eyed veiny mother of all witches. Her verbal spats with Buffy were excellent, her flailing of Andrew gruesome and her defeat by Xander with strories of yelow crayons was heart warming. Methinks she might make a very brief reappearance on Thursday night when Willow dabbles in the Magicks for the last time...

[redbulljunkie]

Didn't really like the traditional bad guys except Spike. Liked the good guys turned bad like Angelus(pedantic people don't correct me on the ordering of this), Evil Willow and Faith.

PS solice, the key to liking it is don't take it seriously, it's meant to be a kind of comedy drama.

[Slayer]

And also, solice, this is a thread for people who like Buffy, so while i'm not saying you can't post here,it would be nice if you could show a little manners.

My favourite bad guys was the Mayor. He was funny and jsut so unevil it was brilliant.

And of course, Evil Willow was the scariest, because I was in fear of my life that Buffy would have to kill her to stop her and I couldn't take Willow being dead!

Evil Willow was apowerful metaphor as well, making her a fairly formidable foe. (her defeat was just unbearably sweet and inevitable ina way- of course only Xander could save her)

[lil mizz pyx]

So.. This time tomorrow I'll expect to see ya all here discussin' away ok?
Cuz...
ya.
that thing which is gonna happen is gonna have happened. Ya know the one..

[Slayer]

I know then one. And like you, I shall not mention it. I'll be here, I think I might tape the documentary after it and be the FIRST on to go GAAAAAHHHHH!!!

[solice]

sorry slayer

public forum - express ones own opinions and views

(i had wrote alot more but then i read it and thought, god im a bitch so i deleted it all in the vain hope it would restore some dignity.
it didnt)

[amnesiac]

I think Solice is entitled to one post saying he dislike Buffy, Slayer. It's not as if he was flooding the thread or anything!

[Slayer]

No, it's just, I wouldn't go into the stephen King thread and say I hate Dolores Claiborne, I hate Stephen King, I hope he dies so there's no more books.

I mean, if this was the start of the thread where we were kinda, so what do you think of the show?

But now, we're Buffy fans discussing Buffy.

I mean, of course you're entitled to your opinion(duh) but I just think it's nice to be nice sometimes.


And, anyway! GAAAAAAAHH!!!!

Buffy's OVER!!!!!

FUCKING HELL!

IT FUCKING ROCKED ASS! I love you Buffy, so so so so much. You'll never know how much you've touched my life, how much you've changed. You are more than just a t.v. program. You are an inspiration!

*breaks down*

[amnesiac]

Yeah I got a little weepy during the closing credits last night. Great finale though. Those special effects in the Hellmouth almost rivalled those seen in Hollywood blockbusters such as Lord of The Rings. Thought the Angel/Buffy/Spike love traingle was dealt with brilliantly. Loved the throwback to the flippant fun of the first series when the "old relaibles" Giles, Buff, Xander and Will found themselves alone in the school. Did anybody see the Sky One documentary "Buffy - TV with a Bite" after the show? Thought it was quite good. Now I need to start saving for those box sets...

[lil mizz pyx]

holy fuck.
thats all i'm sayin.

[Slayer]

quoteOriginally posted by amnesiac
Those special effects in the Hellmouth almost rivalled those seen in Hollywood blockbusters such as Lord of The Rings.


You know, I was thinking that the hellmouth was VERY like the scene in LOTR at Saruman's forge at Isengard. Don't you think?

[lil mizz pyx]

Oh yeah
I definately got that, even tho was more about the Hells' Deep for me. Post-Gandalf, of course )

I can't believe it's over.
I can't.

[Slayer]

Helms Deep was the castle they defended in The Two towers right?

[redbulljunkie]

Was a good ending alright. Like how spoiler for those who haven't seen it yet They closed things off without resorting to killing off all the main characters/killing off Buffy.. Angel was terribly dull in the finale though, seemed to lose all his acting skills in the crossover. "Now Buffy, after I've done what I was supposed to do by kissing you, I'll just stand over here where I don't have to act while you fight".

[lil mizz pyx]

heeheehee

Yeah. I never was much of an Angel fan myself. I mean, Angelus was/is fuckin' cool, but Angel? Pu-tschhhhh. Get over yourself already! Now Spike, there's a real vamp...

[Slayer]

Oh yeah, and I nearly died laughing when I saw Spike's drawing of him.

And, does anyone else think(to get back to LOTR comparisons) that it's no coniincidence that Turok Han sounds bery like Uruk Hai and that the Turoks looked like Orcs?

[redbulljunkie]

yeah the battle at the end was very LOTR style (not as drawn out though thankfully). Looks like they're going through an "influenced by the big movies" phase, first with the Matrix.

[redbulljunkie]

Looks like there's a fanfiction site going up on the net http//www.easdarkthunder.com/slayer/041403.html . Probably one big load of shite.

[lil mizz pyx]

uhh... there's millions and millions of btvs fanfic sites of all kinds?

[Slayer]

Yeah, I write loads of fics. Mine are really just about a character that is better than me in everyway but still essentially me getting laid.

Wonderful stuff.

[amnesiac]

I write Harry Potter fiction, Buffy/Angel fiction and This Life fiction... am I sad or what?

[Slayer]

Not at ALL!!

I just finished a 74 page one in two weeks. That's how sad I am! But it's nice escapism. I'd like to read your Buffy ones Amnesiac.

[amnesiac]

http://photo.outeverywhere.com/15/60/g156094.jpg
Does anybody have any details when season five is airing on SKY ONE. ?Also, how do you feel now Cordy is gone, Conor has bit the dust (Yay!) and Angel Investigations have the W&H resources to call upon? Is the show going to go much bigger in scale?

[redbulljunkie]

Shouldn't this be moved to an "Angel" thread?

I feel bad that Cordy is gone. Don't know if "bigger in scale" is a good thing. I mean the swanky hotel they got didn't do much for them really. At least now that Buffy's gone, there'll be more writing resources going into the show.

[amnesiac]

The big news for ''Buffy'' fans ''Spike is in the hizzy,'' says exec producer Joss Whedon, who adds that James Marsters' undead dude will be reintroduced ''painfully, and with a lot of special effects.'' Meanwhile, Angel (David Boreanaz) has taken over the supernatural law conglomerate Wolfram & Hart. ''Last year was one big story for 22 episodes,'' says Whedon. ''This year we're trying to welcome new viewers, so it's more solve-a-case-every-week.'' Angel may also get a visit from a certain slayer (if Sarah Michelle Gellar can find time between ''Scooby-Doo'' sequels). ''Now that I have her two ex-boyfriends in one room, it's the perfect time to make things even worse.'' Any more spin-offs planned, Mr. Whedon? ''I'm working on 'Buffy Deep Space Nine.' It will be dark and badly received.''

Talk About Angel

[Slayer]

Joss Whedon is the wittiest man alive.

I break my hole laughing at every interview he does.

He has such a surreal sense of humour.

Angel probably starting on Sky in January as usual.

Starting next month in the U.S.

[amnesiac]

Sky have not yet anounced any plans to screen season five of Angel... might be picked up by a different broadcaster? I'm sick of Sky editing episodes anyway...

[Slayer]

No, Sky will get it.

They never really announce what they have this soon. It will be at least January before it airs, as usual.

And Sky are actually one of the best when it comes to editing.

Channel four butchered it when they showed it. It was unintelligeble they edited it so much.

[amnesiac]

Sky editing is atrocious. Anything shown after 9pm should nevr be edited anyway. Grr... plus they don't do widescreen properly. BRING ANGEL TO BBC THREE!!!!

[Slayer]

NOO!!

I don't have digital!

Sky don't edit angel.
They slashed Buffy in places admittedly, but Angel they never did.

[amnesiac]

Sky One regularly edited episodes of the first two seaons of Angel, depsite the fact the show aired after the 9pm watershed. I'm not sure about seasons three and four, but any programme that is filmed 169 and broadcast 43 is cut
[>(]

[redbulljunkie]

So what nasty x-rated business went on in the bits on either side of the screen? (imagining widescreen angel with the episode surrounded left and right by naked pillar people [p])

[amnesiac]

Just foudn this on an American website... interview with a TV criitc who has seen the first installments of Angel s5.

I watched the first two episodes, and they are amazing. Honestly. Spike comes back at the end of the first episode, sees Angel and asks, "Is this hell?" To which Lorne responds, "No, Los Angeles, but a lot of people make that mistake." To live here is to love that. And some very funny moments with Harmony and Angel...and Harmony and Spike. The dynamic of this new ensemble is pretty great. Angel's second ep picks up nineteen days after the Buffy finale, so Spike has been missing in action for exactly that long before he reappears in the middle of Angel's posh new office at Wolfram & Hart.

LOVE the L.A. line!

[Slayer]

Yeah, I think that since Joss will be spending way more time on Angel this season, the humour is going to get a lot better.

Buffy's humour always kicked Angel's ass.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO COME HERE!!!

[redbulljunkie]

Hopefully with the darker feel of angel (buffy lost its dark feel over the years) the humour should return to classic early buffy humour (in fairness the jokes got better throughout the years, but weren't as good without the atmosphere, remember "bunnies" anyone?)

[amnesiac]

Ah bunnies. Loved the bunnies reference in the final Buffy Episode. Seasons 5 nad 6 of Buffy were very, very dark... I liked the back to school feel of season seven.

[Slayer]

I personally love dark.

But Season 6 just went to a place that wasn't nice to be in.

A friend of mine dl'd the first ep of Angel season 5.


Said parts of it were extremely funny.
And the very end is hilarious.

[Slayer]

I spoke to Iyari Limon, who plays Kennedy, on the phone today!

ON THE PHONE! TO IYARI LIMON!!

Oh... the advantages of having friends in England who go to Buffy conventions!!

[redbulljunkie]

cool. did you tell her that her character is a tit?

[Slayer]

Fuck you RBJ, Kennedy is great. I love Kennedy, she's so much fun.

She's pushy and confident and cocky, and loving, and caring, and funny.

She makes me mad, makes me sad and makes me want to kiss her.

That's a character.

[amnesiac]

We tolerated Kennedy because we were sure Caleb/The First would crush her. Bloddily.
Joss failed us.
The annoying one lives on, with the powers of a Slayer.
Dear. God.

[Slayer]

Kennedy is great.

I love the character of Kennedy. Great fun to watch, and write as well.

And I like anyone who makes Willow happy.

Kennedy wasn't a character designed to be likeable. She was there to annoy us, to challenge us, and to divide us.

And she did. I ADORE her, and I ADORE Iyari Limon, who plays her.

She's unbelievably sweet.

[Karma_Slave]

Me thinks the girl is in love. Aww bless.

[Slayer]

You think right.

She is such a sweetheart honestly.

[amnesiac]

Hopefuly Kennedy will guest in Angel season five and be killed.

[Slayer]

Iyari Limon isn't going to appear in Angel Season 5.

[amnesiac]

They ahven't cast all episodes yet.
Here's hoping.

[Slayer]

No it's been confirmed.

I read both Angel and Buffy magazine every month.

[amnesiac]

Oh well, I can always kill her off in my Buffy fiction world.

[Slayer]

And I'll keep developing her and making her the flawed heroine in mine.

K??

[amnesiac]

How flawed can a heroine be?
s
p

[candlemansa]

I like kennedy must admit i prefered tara but thats only probly cause she was in it for longer and had a great singing voice. I think as a spin off series they should have Dawn go to college and meet up with conor who of course now has no idea he's half demon. Together they could save the world.

[Slayer]

Conor and Dawn???

now that would be scary. They'd have to hold competitions over who moaned the most.

"Well, my sister and my mom died."
"I was stolen from my dad and raised in a hell dimension"

[redbulljunkie]

I preferred conor, although conor was a total prick to angel (ah kids).

[amnesiac]

Conor and DawnAttack of the Anaemic Whiney Demon Kids.

Too scary a concept to even joke about (altho LOL @ Slayer's dialogue).

[Slayer]

God..

Don't ever team those two up.

PLEASE JOSS, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME!!!

[Taibhse]

OMG! A GAY SITE AND A 12 PAGE TOPIC ABOUT MY FAV 2 SHOWS

THIS IS 2 GOOD 2 B true

wow

i love this site

[Karma_Slave]

Yeah You're gonna definetly make friends here with that attitude, especially slayer.

[Slayer]

Welcome to the fold Taibhse.

If we ever meet I will prove I am the biggest Buffy fan of all time.

I'm insane about it, and especially about Willow and Kennedy.

(See my avatar-Look familiar? lol)

[amnesiac]

Slayer, there's a few people here you will be forced to share that accoalde with. Remember, we're all Chosen Ones now
*grin*

[Slayer]

No, I am the biggest fan..
I am insane about it.

Really, you don't want to be as big a fan as I am, really, you don't.


Alyson Hannigan is married to Alexis Denisof. (

I have to go curl up in a ball somewhere.

[amnesiac]

You can never be the BIGGEST fan. You're a teeny little thing Slayer!

[amnesiac]

Channel 4 have anounced the Scariest TV/Film Moment in all time...

http://www.btvspassion.com/images/evil-willow_s6.jpg

[Slayer]

That got number 1??

But sher, the rest of the programme isn't being shown til tonight.

Or are you just pulling our legs??

[amnesiac]

Are you, like, challenging the veined one?

[Slayer]

NO!

I'm just saying, it wasn't exactly the most terrifying thing that's been ont tv or film like.

It was shown before the nine pm watershed for fuck's sake!


I mean, it was scary for us as Willow fans, but I can't see how people who wouldn't watch Buffy as fanatics would be terrified.

[Karma_Slave]

erm seriously not scary, to be honest it was annoying to me Ive always concidered evil in a beautiful shell scarier.

[Slayer]

Karma, you're not suggesting that Willow was unattractive even for a millisecond are you?

*gets out killing axe*

[Bootyzilla]

Sweet Jesus!

13 Pages!

13 goddamn pages about 2 old shows, one of which is now cancelled! Oh my Lord!

People, get lives! Go to the pub! Go for a walk! Buy a child and train it to throw things at Micheal Martin! Anything to replace the huge yawning chasm-like void left in your lives by the loss of Buffy and 'I have no forehead' Angel!

[Slayer]

*GASP*

I don't care, Bootyzilla, you're on my hit list.

Don't mess with the Buffy fans, we're worse than trekkies...

[amnesiac]

But we have infinitely more style. Speakign of style, what are your fave naff Willow outifts?

[redbulljunkie]

anyone remember "Faith vs the vulcan" from one of Andrew's stories? I laughed out loud at that one [)]

[Slayer]

My fave naff Willow outfits were her cutesy oh so untrendy ones from Season 1.

You just want to scoop her up and bring her home and give her a cuddle she's so cute.


And Faith vs. the vulcan?

I couldn't breathe I was laughing so much..

[Slayer]

ELIZA DUSHKU has confirmed she will be appearing Angel Season 5 for a few episodes.


*sigh*

Oh Faith, now we just need to get Kennedy into Angel Season 5 to make everything perfect and up the hotty quotient there.

With Cordelia and Lilah gone,it's up to Fred to be the only hotty on Angel.

And while she is rather yummy, the poor girl could only withstand the lesbian lust for so long before she explodes.

[amnesiac]

Kennedy better not appear in Season 5... unless Willow has seen sense, dumped her for Xander and the wench ends up on the streets in LA. When she attemtps to use her (unfairly won) Slayer powers to mug innocents, Angel kills her.
Huzzah!

[Slayer]

*kicks amnesiac in the shins*


KENNEDY ROCKS!


Come on, look how hot she is!! Even a gay man can see that!

[amnesiac]

OK... some fiction!
Where are the Scooby gang now, a few months after defeating The First? Still at the mall? Slayer-training?

[Slayer]

Well, according to my fanfics, they are now training all the slayers in the old Hyperion Hotel in LA.


Willow and Kennedy are going strong you'll be glad to know. P

[amnesiac]

Have they killed off Dawn yet?

[Slayer]

No, I've just made her a less prominent character and I've limited the amount of annoying things she does.

[amnesiac]

Ok, can I be honest here? She didn't bug me *too* much in season seven. Due largely to her reduced role. But when she did edge towards centre staged... I kind of like dthe whiney one...

[Slayer]

I actually am really beginning to like Dawn.

I have admitted it before,but she really was beginning to grow on me.

She could still be annoying as hell, but less so.

[amnesiac]

Remember how whiney Willow was in season one and look how much we grew to love her? Though I have a thing for flame haired lesbian dorks.

[Slayer]

Willow was never whiney though really, she was just geeky and unsure.
She was such an ickle cutie in Season 1 though, all nerdy and dorky and awww...

[amnesiac]

I'm dropping hints to all and sundry that Buffy Season 1 (12 episodes) DVD box set would be a great pressie for me this Christmas. Nobody ever pays any attention to my hints though >(

[Slayer]

I want to get Season 7 when it comes out on DVD. And it BETTER have the naughty bits with Willow and Kennedy on it!

[Karma_Slave]

I like the way willow was when she was with tara, they were so cute and sweet and then she wen tnuts and tried to destroy the world but lets not dwell.

[amnesiac]

Willow was the best Boss-level villain by a country mile!
Ooh lets rate! In time honoured reverse order

7-Adam
Yawn. The foil to Riley who was fairly pointless anyway. The professor kicked ass in a Mrs. Robinson way. And the initative had gay pron appeal.

6-The First
OK let's be honest. The Big Bad of season 7 was a let down. An obscure Christmas villain from season three whgo can't take corporeal form. Uh-Huh. Caleb was great though. That Southern drawl. That mysoginism! The stabbing! The gouging!

5-The Master
The original was not the best. The Anointed One was creepy but was done away with far too early. Maybe the actor flunked fourth grade or something.

4-The Mayor
Fisrt of the big shots. The Mayor was comedic genius. Great satire on American politics, cuddly, tneder and loving but psychotic and hell bent on armageddon to boot. The graduation scenes rocked.

3-Glory
Love her or hate her Glory was unique. Almost as pretty as Buffy. A God among mortals. She had some great one liners and it's such a shame we never saw her and Cordy in the same room.

2-Angelus
The villains closest to Buffy are the best. When Angel humped the Slayer and lost his soul all hell broke loose. David Boreanaz plays the darker side of Angel with gusto. Combined with Spike and Dru I thought nothing would come close to toppling the nastiness of season two... but I was wrong

1-Willow
Or more precisely black haired, veiny evil Willow!
No one fought the Buffster with better one liners. Snaps for Xander and the crayon story and preventing the end of the world. Willow was the one big bad too strong for Buffy. Apart from The Master. And The First. And the Mayor. And Glory...

[redbulljunkie]

season 1 was dirt cheap on dvd off play.com a while back. like 20GBP or something. wish I got it at the time. it's expensive now again.

[amnesiac]

You can pick it up in Golden Discs for eur30 I think.
Why have I changed form € to eur.
Why, why?

[Slayer]

cos you've gotten lazy.

And yeah, I agree, Dark Willow, best villain.

[amnesiac]

I love Willow's line about Thanksgiving, the ethnic cleansing one.

[Slayer]

*sniff*

I miss it so much.

[KTS]

I've never seen an episode of "Angel", and I've only seen a few episodes of "Buffy" from Season 1, which I didn't think much of. Would be interested in watching some of the episodes where the Willow character came out, pre- and post-. Would this be possible? Or do you need to watch it from the beginning? If not, what episodes (videos/dvds) would you recommend?

[amnesiac]

Two To Go/Grave
You'll never mess with a lesbian again!

[Slayer]

Willow's "coming out" ep is New Moon Rising in Season 4.

But really, you'd want to start watching from Hush, when she first met Tara, to actually appreciate the whole thing.

[KTS]

Cool thanks.

[Slayer]

I am the Buffy guidebook coo coo cu choo.

[damien]

LOTR meets Buffy.

http://omwh.gloria-mundi.net/

[Slayer]

hehehehehehe

[joeohara]

is there any word on a buffy film?

[Slayer]

There doesn't seem to be, but I think that they will make one eventually. I'll bet any money on it.

[Proud Mary 1980]

God this thread is slowing down I must say

[Slayer]

New Series of Angel is starting Tuesday January 13th at eight o clock on Sky 1.

MARK IT IN YOUR DIARIES PEOPLE!

[amnesiac]

Marked )

And Joe the TV phenomenon that is Buffy The Vampire Slayer/Angel is the phoenix that arose from the ashes of a dire teen flick in the mid titles titled "Buffy The Vampire Slayer." (I kid you not). Joss Whedon's script was butchered by the director and studio in question and the resulting feature was tacky, dull and bombed in the cinemas. But following the success of Buffy the TV series on the WB it hyas become a cult hit on video and DVD. Check it out, if only for one of the hammiest death scenes in cinematic history.

[damien]

I might be getting the first 5 or 6 episodes from a friend this weekend [)] Might watch them all together too, besides trying to remember to sit down and watch them on Sky.

[Bootyzilla]

The movie starred Kirsty Swanson as Buffy (remember her?), Luke Perry as Token Penis and in the Giles role, Donald Sutherland. And it was woeful -)

[amnesiac]

I just saw a promo on SKY ONE for Angel 5.1 next week. It looks great... I cannae wai'!!!!!

[Slayer]

*jumps around like a little schoolgirl*

ANGEL!! YAY!!

[redbulljunkie]

Must make sure not to miss it.

By the way, Firefly, heard it was excellent, but never got to see it. Is anyone here getting the dvds? (Think it's like €40 for the boxset off www.playusa.com or €27+delivery off www.amazon.com , that's for the Region 1 dvds, it's not out on Region 2).

[candlemansa]

I'm not looking forward to the new series of Angel, how can it continue without Cordelia. While shes going to making an appearance in the hundred episode she is not returning as a full time cast member, a decision that the actress charisma carpenter did not make. Apparently she was as surprised as everyone else when she discovered her character wouldn't be returning after the pregnancy. I mean Fred been the only female lead, please she's as boring. Harmony is coming back as the secretary so that should provide some laughs, but really disgusted they got rid of Cordie, she's been part of the franchise since day one.

[Slayer]

Aye, she has. But shows change, and how boring would it be if a character couldn't leave just because he or she was considered a "core" character.

[amnesiac]

Tonight's the night!

[amnesiac]

And what a great season opener that was! It's whet my appetite so much I'm positively DROOLING. I loved Spike's entrance... just when I thought I might not see him until next year. The Gunn "development" could turn out to be very, very interesting. Eve was bearable, Fred was Fred, Angel kicked ass better than ever and Harmony? Well adding Harmony to the crew was a stroke of comedic genius.
"Spike."
"Spike?"
"Blondie-bear?"

[Proud Mary 1980]

Just feel like stating a fact, I don't watch Buffy or Angel

[bo_selecta]

me neither Mary - I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.

[Slayer]

Harmony rooocks!

Spike is back yay!!


And my favourite part?

Angel pressing his intercom


"Hello, you've reached ritual sacrifices. To choose goat please press.."

[redbulljunkie]

ProudMary, bo_selecta we've heard this all before. If you're not interested in the thread,then you don't need to express your non-interest,you just don't post to the thread.

[bo_selecta]

Well shame on me for expressing an opinion on a public forum...I'll try not to do it again!

For the record, you have not "heard it all before" from me! That was my first time posting to this thread.

Also, just because I said I don't like the programmes, doesn't mean I have no interest in this thread.

I have watched both Buffy and Angel in the past and while I don't see the attraction myself, I do enjoy reading how excited some of you get about it.

[damien]

I think if you want to discuss anything buffy or angel related you should create a new thread Bo , I think this threads just a mutual appreciation/back slapping thread now with a dash of Buffyverse content now and then to feed the illusion that the thread should be preserved.

[redbulljunkie]

sorry, just get a bit pissed when people reply to threads saying "this is shit". Give some constructive criticism. (It might get a bit more interesting debate going as damien puts it).

[amnesiac]

most peopel on the taboo thread just say "the bar is shit though."
Anyway, will Eve bed Angel?

[Slayer]

She wishes.
She's quite hot though...

[Proud Mary 1980]

is it an implied term that one must have an interest in the thread priofr to replying?

[joeohara]

i do watch buffy but dont watch angel as much i tend to wait untill they come out on dvd seeing as the stupid parents bitch and complain (maybe thats where i get it from blame them not me hehe ) whenever its on so i usually end up havin to go to me sisters house or try to catch repeats

[redbulljunkie]

quoteOriginally posted by Proud Mary 1980
is it an implied term that one must have an interest in the thread priofr to replying?


Pretty much. The default state is "non-interest". You don't need to say this. You participate in the thread if you are interested.

You can get away with it on this forum because we're small enough to handle a few "i don't like this" posts. But if you have a forum with say 1000 people, and a thread gets posted that 25 people are interested in, that's a lot of "this is shit, I don't see the attraction" posts.

You're perfectly welcome to give a counter-viewpoint ie. "This is shit because ..." (Poor character development, appeals only to certain groups, too cheesy, hackneyed storylines etc. etc. ).

[Proud Mary 1980]

Thats great to know, I must share that information with bo

[amnesiac]

If anybody is missing Cordy... here's an interview with Charisma Carpenter in which she discusses leavign the show and her one-off return for the 100th episode of Angel.
http://www.smgfan.com/CharismaCarpenter.htm

[joeohara]

uhm when did she leave the show i keep missing angel?

[amnesiac]

Cordy ascended at the end of season three. Was heavily pregnant and possessed for most of season four. Went into a coma after giving birth to a goddess who promised world peace but was killed by Angel. Season five sees her off camera, off credits in a coma somewhere. The 100th episode which should give the Cordy arc some closure will air in about ten weeks time in Ireland and the UK.

[joeohara]

thanks for explaining the plot cheers

[Popeye]

Hey jusy wanted to say im a huge fan of buffy/angel, love it to bits and that this is a great forum

[joeohara]

buffy season 7 on dvd out in march *drools*

[Bootyzilla]

*suddenly, in a totally unexpected twist, Me, Paw, Joe, Kelly, Grandpa and Fabula burst over from the Story 2 thread, flicked a little red button, and Hiroshima'd the entire cast of Buffy, Angel, et al, into nonexistence. Then we all cheered and went home to watch proper Vampire action in old Dracula movies. The fucking End. *

[joeohara]

little did he know that he blew up the look a likes and not the real cast HA

[Slayer]

*disintegrates into a snotty weepy mess.*

BUUUUFFFYY!!!


WIIIILLOOOWWW!!

KEENNNEDDYY!!!!