predatory homosexuals - Corrie's Gay Storyline

[LittleTimmy]

Is it just me or is Cornation St taking a pretty bad angle on the Gay kiss thing. I know it will be very nice to see some man on man action involving the lovely Todd but, what type of picture does it paint that he is going to shift Nick (Sigh!) while Nick sleeps.
This most beautiful of moments (as it could be) is tainted by the fact that Todd takes advantage of him while he sleeps. It in my view shows homosexuality and gay men as being slightly devious to the point of perverted, and most definately predatory.
I know tis only telly like, but it probably will stir those kind of feelings in hetro's (they have a widely-acknowledged inability to discern fact from fiction).
Initially this Gay kiss thing was seen as a step in the right direction, but to me its one step forward, two steps back.

P.s I'll still be glued to it regardless, with my lad in my hand. mmmmm Todd.[;)] [D]
P.P.S Was just messing with the bold type, just chose those words cos they sound dirty and lets face it sex sells.

[redbulljunkie]

damn missed that. what happened? did he go through with it?

[solice]

dont worry RBJ you didnt miss it, its on this sunday at 7.30. but i agree, i not only think the story line is weak but is in bad taste and could do more damage than good. the only credit that i can give grananda is that they are helping create an awarness but the question is why did it take them 42 years to do it.

[KTS]

Ratings ploy, pure and simple, nothing more. It's always the same.

[TheExile]

Did you know that Tony Warren, the man whose 'idea' Coronation Street is based upon is gay??

[damien]

Yes. But its like the case in Hollywood where openly gay film studio execs are telling lead gay actors to stay closested as its better for business. Pure Hypocrisy.

[NuMarvel]

Well obviously we can't tell what's going to happen in the episode until it's aired, but I'm given to understand that the storyline for Todd is that he makes a move on Nick because Nick is the first person in ages that has listened to Todd or something like that. I don't think Todd is being portrayed as devious, perverted or predatory. It's amazing what you learn when you read the RTE guide

However, I will freely admit that I really won't be watching it (i've seen the pictures and that's all I need [D]). The kiss will come and go in the blink of an eye and the story line will move on.

Anyways, the moral of my post is that we shouldn't jump the gun about what we think something will be until we know what it is. You can all go home now.

[redbulljunkie]

saw it last sunday. luckily nick wasn't asleep, he had just closed his eyes, and todd interpreted as an invitation to make a move. it was actually really sweet, pity poor todd got shot down.

[Proud Mary 1980]

Think they messed it up

[redbulljunkie]

How so?

[Proud Mary 1980]

There should have been more of a build up, I mean as far as I could see there wasn't much if any.

[redbulljunkie]

Thought that at first, but then again it's very hard to portary if a character has bisexual tendencies. I mean it's not like they could have had todd looking sleazily at every guy who passes down the street in wetherfield for several months. Nick was the first good looking guy his age who came along and who actually stopped to talk to him.

Be interesting to see if Nick's response was of the "oh my god you're a queer" variety or the "oh my god you're my sister's boyfriend" variety.

[LeBaron]

Actually I think they did it quite well, but as RBJ points out it will be interesting to see how they develop the story

[LeBaron]

Just watched de 2 episodes 2nite...... Well, heavens to murgatroyd !!!!!
Dat bitch Sarah is worse dan de mudder, de wicked Platt of de Wesht. And as for Nick, I always know there was an ould BNP streak in him, a bit too Ayrian to be hangin around de bogs in G.A.Y.

[Davem]

I'm new to this forum and I started a new topic on those corrie episodes before I read this thread.
I think it's been done really well and could completely sympathise with todd and his fucked up head.
And the fact he was always quiet and shy I could relate to.
there is a gay writer writing this stuff for todd so hopefully it will remain true.
He says from day one he planned for todd to be gay!!!

[Proud Mary 1980]

The should of had him questioning his sexuality months ago, moving in with Sarah etc, kinda looking at that pizza guy, small things like.

[amnesiac]

It's always the pizza guy with you Mary!
Damn you watch too much cheap gay porn!

[Proud Mary 1980]

well what guy would u suggest around his age, surely not his brother? Oh hmmmmm whats his face tyrone

[redbulljunkie]

They should have had Sarah go put on a video for Bethany, and be treated to a display of Todd's secret gay porn.

[Slayer]

Christ, somethings never change...

[Davem]

Ah But U see Todd's sexuality has just been awakened in him,I reckon you will now see him checking out the'pizza boy'????, or even fred elliots meat pies!!!!!!

[Slayer]

oh please don't ever say anything suggesting anything like that EVER AGAIN.

[Proud Mary 1980]

Still think it could have been done better

[redbulljunkie]

We anxiously await your script

[amnesiac]

Mary just wants Coronoation Street to film in Canal Street so she can bop along to the Village mix of 80s cheese and chart pop.
Mary is a PopWhore (TM)

[redbulljunkie]

We knows, we may see Todd taking little trips into Manchester [)]

[Viruswriter]

42 years and they decide to finally have gay characters, bout fucking time but i agree do they have to be predatory and make us all look like perverts

its disgusting

[redbulljunkie]

since when was Todd predatory? He felt a closeness between himself and Nick and got half-deluded into thinking Nick felt exactly the same way. If it wasn't for the sarah complication, it would have been totally sweet and natural. Or are you saying that gays should never make a move on anyone. (It's not like straight people always ask, I know we're attracted to each other, but I should just confirm that you're straight before I give you a little peck on the lips).

[redbulljunkie]

And as regards the "sarah complication", soaps do a million and one infidelity stories per day. You don't hear straight people complaining "they're giving us a bad name!"

[Slayer]

I thought it was done very sweetly.

And Todd didn't just decide to kiss him, he didn't even think. It just happened.

It felt right, and he thought it was the same for Nick.

[Davem]

Todd Predatory!!!!
What are ye talking about? He has consistently been the sweetest,mild mannered character in soap.
I though the kiss was sweet.
Thats how I discovered I was gay,mind you there was way more drink involved and the guy did not look like nick, it just happened.
But I do think the straights don't get it at all.
I was reading a critic in paper today and he was moaning how one minute todd was gay and now he's gotten over it like a flu!!!!!!
God bless them straights they haven't a clue!!!

[bioguycork]

well, in fairness, the way the script writers have dealt with it, that critic kind of had a point. After the kiss, Todd decided he was straight, and wanted to be with Sarah.

[redbulljunkie]

he didn't go back to being straight, he went back to being confused. it's better than other shows, when they go totally gay, forget about that you once liked the opposite sex. (jack in dawson's creek, willow in buffy). There was no reason he coulnd't love sarah and be attracted to guys at the same time, hello bisexual?

[solice]

bisexualality IMO is possibly an even bigger taboo in the media than homosexuality

[redbulljunkie]

"the bill" is good though for dealing with this.

[Davem]

Todd isn't bi, he just never realised properly he was gay and now he just doesn't want to accept it.
and by getting back with sarah he thinks he can forget about it.
But watch bet he slowly starts taking an interest in other guys

[TheExile]

I'm not a corrie fan, and watch little TV so I might be well wide of the mark here, but from what I've seen, I think Tod's 'development' is pretty much true to life. I mean how many of us have denied who we are? And of course, how many more of us have loathed who we are times too??

I believe that the worst thing corrie could have done would have been to protray that being gay, or choosing to acknowledge one's own feelings are in any way easy - because they're not. I don't really think Todd has decided he's straight, I think he got rejected and has (done what lots of do) climbed back into his well-insulated closet and put a girlie standing on guard outside the door...

Just an observation...

[damien]

Totally agree with TheExile there. Who here has had a perfect coming out story or knew from getgo that we were lgbt ? Todds sexual awakening is probably more natural than most shit thats in those soaps. Like was said earlier in this thread, most of the other shows have a guy falling for a guy and thats it, all the past with girls and all feelings for them go away in a poof [;)] of smoke. Not true.

[solice]

the story is getting better. the fact that he has gone back with sarah gives it some credibility.

i think what was being said by some people is that originally it was feared that todd was going to go down the road of jack from dawsons creek or willow from buffy. that he was going to kiss one guy and then thats it, he is gay. we have all known that this story line was developing but has anyone actually seen any character development in todd in the months up to the kiss, no, why because there was none. because it wasnt until a week before the kiss did we see any sort of lingering thought that todd could be gay.

i dont know what it was like for ye but it took me alot longer than a week after my realisation that i am indeed gay to act on it.

todd has gone back to sarah and we hopefully we will see him develop more and more over the coming weeks and months. but i have to say that if we see todd getting the bus into canal street on a friday night within 3 months i would be annoyed

has anyone else noticed that whenever nick is talking to candice in the pub todd is always watching in the background.

[redbulljunkie]

I don't think you would have seen it in Todd prior to this. I mean take some people you know who had come out of the closet, did people around them really notice things beforehand? Some people keep it very well hidden.

[solice]

someone who is in that situation, a young man in the prime of his life terrified of coming out and the terrified of the self realisation that he is gay, i think they could have done it better. hopefully with the way the storyline has developed it will get better

[amnesiac]

Who says he is "gay"?

[damien]

Give people an inch and they want a mile.

There was some amount of griping before any of this happened and people concluded the result before the event. Now that it went off well people are still complaining that its not real enough. As soaps go its done very well.

Cornonation Street is not reality and its not very near reality in some aspects. The Richard character is one. Cornonation Street ain't Shakespeare either, theres no soliloquys to tell us the inner feelings of a character.

The lead-in time for the story was going to be short. This is a medium constantly in a state of flux with an audience that wouldn't get a subtle buildup.

Gay people have no reason to complain about the progress of this story. Its doing very well so far.

[bo_selecta]

all the newspapers.....so it MUST be true

[amnesiac]

Oh Vera Duckworth has the odd solilouoy on the meaning of life and wheter or not we are accountable for our earthly actions after death whilst cleaning the chip fat in the diner.

[redbulljunkie]

It's not a soliloquay when the other characters can hear her and give her strange looks [p]

[amnesiac]

What you mena the upturned chairs on the counter? They're not wooden enough to be considered Corrie actors are they?

Speaking of Shakespeare, that guy who played Richard Hillman had a lot of Shakespearean experience whcih was very evident in his over dramatic asides to the ITV viewing audience. And his wife Gail looked a bit like a shrew. I really wish they'd let me direct Corrie for a week... would get immense pleasure from killing that beor off.

[markinmanc]

the character was always intended to be gay, the scriptwriting who wrote todds storyline says that it was always the intention for him to come out. they wanted him established a a central character first. apparently he is going to be gay, not bi or curious.

they were suprised adam rickett agreed to it (the kiss) as he has a lot of rumours about him. he is basically a luvvie tho.

[Slayer]

What ya mean rumours about him?

[damien]

Because he is gorgeous rumours will start that he is gay. Its always the same ugly bitchy hetero guys. "Uh, he is beautiful and has a great body and looks after himself. He is gay. Hey did you hear that guy Rickett is gay ? "

[amnesiac]

I think it had a lot to do with the fact Adam Rickett spent more time than was absolutely necessary on the gay circuit when plugging his failed pop career. Plus we have gaydar. We know before they know themselves.

[LeBaron]

To true.... we know whats best for them !

[amnesiac]

Baron I think you might be slightly gay.

[LeBaron]

Just a tad

[tinkerbella]

hey, i've never watched an ep of coronation st in my life so i can't comment on current developments, but i'm a sucker for soap so keep me posted (we don't get it here in oz) but i do have to defend the willow coming out. sure it was't the longest process in the world, and she never had to talk to her parents, but she didn't kiss tara and never look back either. there was a lot of willow-style dithering about whether or not to ditch oz for good and run into the unknown with tara, and she cheated on tara with zander once (they both thought they were about to die, the obvious response was to shag)

[damien]

Actually I should edit my reason and add "gay men who can't accept someone they desire is 100% straight".

[LeBaron]

Ah.... but we live in hope

[redbulljunkie]

I can understand when it's someone you know and fancy and it can be difficult accepting the fact that you can never have them, but I can't understand this obsession people have with wishing their favourite celebrity was gay. I mean it makes no difference in that case, you can't have them one way or the other.

[Slayer]

Willow cheated on Xander? Huh huh?

She cheated on Oz... Never Tara.