Discussion in 'Queer People' started by admin, Apr 30, 2002.
That is revolting!!! I am impressed...
Id say it would be Grainne only....
Could only manage it the once too id say... THE SMELL!!! Snatch that looks like ronnie drew and smells like captain Birdseye... UGH!! Slimey, dripping ooze and BLEEDING!!!
And I hear that they are like a toasted cheese sandwich in the morning...
Time to vomit and off to the gay porn for me!
Women post here too, you know! And you came out of one! So they can't be all that bad...
Speaking of tiring, Boston, you seem to have this habit of picking arguments with people who have disagreed with you in the past. I find this quite tiresome to be honest.
You seem to have read too much into my post. I wasn't generalising for society, I mentioned at least once (and that was especially for you) that I was only speaking from my own experience. That's all any of us are doing. Furthermore in the context of what I wrote, the term gateway sexuality was quite evident. I don't recall saying it had anything to do with having sex with computers. Though I imagine ,that would be much more pleasant than having to share virtual space with you.
Valid point, thanks for pointing that out Bootyzilla.
Dont change my stance tho.
In fairness Boston, bisexuality is a confusing topic for both hetero- and homo-sexuals to understand as well as bisexuals themselves.
Hmmm, I may be notoriously closed minded on this forum with regard to this topic, so I won't disappoint, personally I don't get it. I would agree with Littletimmy that some use it as a method through which to come out to themselves or even explore their sexuality.
I think bisexuals are kinda in limbo but at the end of the day if they feel the same for both sexes then who am I to judge? I don't understand it, nor will I ever, I just accept it.
Harry Bo.....wait until the lesbians get you!
That may or may not be true, why would it matter to you?
And you still haven't answered my question as to what it was you found so offensive about my first post.
You see a post by a poster you don't like and yea reply in a certain way. Now I've been told you're a decent chap, but I just don't like you. I don't like you're attitude, and I don't like the way in which you're commenting on a sexuality that isn't your own. I don't see you commenting on what it's like be be a lesbian do I? I don't see you coming out with "Most Lesbians i know are men haters" are any such BS streotype.
Now back to the woman hating.
I can hear them coming now.... some ppl seem to be chating outside my house...... wonder who it could be!
Oh and about the Bi Sexual topic...
I wouldnt have too much of an argument about it,
Straight, Gay, Black, White, Lesbian, Bi, Spainish, Turkish, god forbid even American,
We're all in the same boat.... were all on this planet being FUCKED by the taxman... and trying to figure out what were supposed to be doing with our lives.
Night all.. x
There is a quite simple reason why I don't say all those things - I don't believe them. At the same time I have as much right to comment on bisexuality as you have. Is this again another case of you being disingenuous? You castigate me for commenting on a sexuality that does not belong to me, yet this is exactly what you have done yourself.
So why not judge me by your own lofty standards?
Cause I've been there and worn the T-Shirt that guys worn. Hey I didn't choose to go down the path he has, but maybe if I hadn't had a boyfriend I love I would have. why is he a coward and I'm not? It's tough and never under estimate that. I think allot of Bi-sexuals just do what he did, go straight or gay, and then people can say "Sure it was only a transittion period anyway" if he goes gay, and coward if he goes straight. Don't yea see what bullshit that is? I've a friend that lost every single friend she had in school as a result of being Bi. When she was forced to leave the school she decided never again to explore that side of her sexuality. Maybe she would have ended up straight, maybe not. But something was taking away from her. I don't think shes a coward or a chicken, I think those that forced her into a cornor are the cowards.
Its just you've never seen someone have to go through what that guy went through. Remember what it was like when you came out, now imagine doing that over and over and over again.
I don't like what you're saying, not the subject matter. I also don't like you, so it doesn't help.
Aw. Someone I don't know, doesn't like me. Let me crawl away and cry in a corner.
Because you don't like what I am saying, you can be hypocritical? I'm not allowed an opinion on Bisexuality but you are.
thats what i said. don't twist it
That's not an answer to my question, which was why would it matter to you if I am as bitter and cynical as you seem to think that I am?
Anyway. No, I don't see what bullshit that is, or anything like bullshit. What I see is people making choices based on peer pressure that closes off an obviously interesting side of their sexuality from them. In other words, I don't see bullshit, and I don't see anybody forcing anyone to do anything. What I do see are people who allow the opinion of their peers to affect their actions in a way that's quite detrimental to their own happiness, and sense of self - this actually is starting to sound like another long conversation you and I had some weeks back - in other words, acting like cowards because, for whatever reason, they don't have the strength to stand by their convictions.
And that's my opinion. Please don't tell me that I don't know what it's like. I came out too. And yes, I came out over and over again. To friends, to family, to colleagues. And just because I didn't have the same sad experiences as everyone you've mentioned here has had does not make me bitter and cynical.
So I'll ask you again, Boston. Why do you think that about me?
You more than capably twisted my initial post to suggest that I inferred bisexual people are confused which wasn't the point of what I was saying at all.
If you don't like how I comment on a sexuality that is not my own then should I just conform to your own opinions so that you have nothing to "tire" of?
I quoted the wrong bit. I ment to quote
I've allready answered where my opinion of you comes from. You haven't answered mine.
You've no more a clue what it's like to be Bi-sexual then you do to be a lesbian, or transgendered. Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. I wonder if you consider those straight acting gay guys as being cowards. True gay shove it in your face and all that, don't they? What about people that never come out because there family asked them to, or for feat of loosing them. Cowards too when you think about it. Some people arn't willing to loose their friends and family, family being the key one, how are they cowards.
Anywho, I see I'm not going to convince you that Bi-Sexuals aren't inherently cowardly.
First of all, if you'd be so good as to point out where I said Bisexuals are "inherently cowardly", I'll gladly retract it. But don't bother trying, you won't find it. I didn't say that, nor have I ever said it. What I said was "everyone you've mentioned here ", in reference to the examples you've given. Which, I hate to tell you, couldn't possibly be indicative of bisexuals as a group, because you don't know them all. Maybe you're just projecting your opinions and fears onto all Bisexuals?
You said yourself in this forum " There comes a time in your life when you seriously stop giving a fuk about what people think.". Now you're turning around and saying that it's okay for people to let what other people think close off large portions of their sexuality from them - " What about people that never come out because there family asked them to, or for feat of loosing them.". Which is it? Make up your mind.
The fact that you react so negatively when someone questions your experiences of sexuality makes it very clear to me that you have your own unresolved issues around your own sexuality. Which is fair enough. And if you don't want to handle the fact that others have different opinions than yours, that's fine too. But please don't throw up smokescreens. You didn't ask me any questions, Boston, and you still haven't answered mine. How did you surmise that I am bitter and cynical because I hold the belief that someone who runs back into the closet because of peer pressure is acting in a cowardly manner?
What question did you ask me? And where did you answer my question about how and why it would matter to you if I am bitter and cynical, or not, other than to reinforce the fact that it is your opinion - " Fair enough, you "sound like" you're cynical, bitter, and completely lacking in compassion and empathy. Based on my reading of your posts. ". That's not an answer, that's a clarification.
Bearing in mind that at no point have I said that here, nor have I implied it, if that's what you think gays at large think about bisexuals, then perhaps you'd be better off not talking to us anymore. Either that, or examining your own difficulties instead of projecting them onto others. You criticised LittleTimmy for "attacking a poster in a certain way" and twisting your words earlier, and now you're doing it here, again. More disingenuousness, or simply the inability to look at someone else's point of view without getting defensive about your own?
Never said it was ok, I think it's very sad and traggic. Those people have my sympathy and empathy. I don't think calling them cowards is right. They be no less a coward if they gave up there family because of people like you.
Blah, I've known far to many head fuckers in my time to fall for this one.
You didn't say "acting in a cowardly manner" you called the guy a chicken and then later a coward. Lets not water it down, and also lets not get into the "I implied he was a chicken, i never actually said it, arguement".
You keep saying peer presure, And I keep talking about family. While for some people their friends are liek family, for most it's not the case. It's easy enough to tell friends to piss off, I've done it, very hard to get away from family, and it's not like they'll ever stop being your family.
what makes this guy a coward, and my friend a coward, and me not?
And where did you answer my question about how and why it would matter to you if I am bitter and cynical, or not, other than to reinforce the fact that it is your opinion - " Fair enough, you "sound like" you're cynical, bitter, and completely lacking in compassion and empathy. Based on my reading of your posts. ". That's not an answer, that's a clarification.
When challange the booty creator usuaully replies with some bitter and cynical wittism. Read your own posts, you don't have to go far for examples (I am thread).
Allot of Bi-sexuals, far more then you think, go straight or gay, not because of it being who they truely are, but more in an attempt to have an easier life. When you condemn this guy as a coward, you condemn allot of people.
You're accusing me of an inability to have empathy towards other points of view, after the comment you have allready made. That truely is rich.
Right, so staying true to yourself is cowardly, is it? How did you work that one out?
And you STILL haven't answered my question. You're smokescreening again!
In my opinion, because you (more than once and in more than one thread) have stayed out because you like the same-sex relationship you're in.
That is a lie, a very poorly-laid-out post and completely unrelated to anything at all. But if you'd bothered to answer my question about why it matters to you why you think I am bitter and cynical then maybe I'd be able to understand it a little more. Maybe you can't answer my question. Frankly I don't think you can.
Get off the Cross, for christ's sake. This is not the Passion of the Boston and you are not King of the Downtrodden. All I did was give my opinion of a situation to someone else, about something totally unrelated to you, and suddenly you're wading in, both feet first, relating it all back to you and less pleasant experiences you and people you know have had. Why? Why is it so important to you to make yourself out to be some sort of spokesperson for downtrodden bisexuals?
What? What on earth does that mean?
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